I do believe I read somewhere about how can they believe in Him of whom they have not heard, and how can they hear without a preacher, and how can they preach except they be sent That sure sounds like witnessing to me. You may think some of my nine jobs are questionable and others of them are controversial. that is the hill to die on protect their tax exempt status. The shareholders are proud of their new corporate bakery enterprise. one head person to be the primary teacher and CEO of a fellowship, big or small, to whom all, if push comes to shove, must ultimately submit. I also think its something all Christians should aspire toward, though I do believe all Christians are equal priests in a priesthood lead by Jesus. Sure, theyll get a real piece of work for a pastor now and again, but hes usually removed before the damage can escalate. Many today are flocking to leadership seminars in order to learn how to fish from successful fishermen sociological pragmatism, pop psychology, new models of ministry, and ad nausea. David is a teacher to the world, literally, online, through his books, through the IMB, etc. David Platt had disgraced us with his presence in the UK last year. They know the church wont stand for taking away the Worship Service, so they gut it of all meaning and keep the label. I had often wondered whether they just liked to hear themselves speak? @ AnonInNC: I promote the Salvation Army over the SBC. Im not gonna convince you, and you aint gonna persuade me. Christianity started around a table, not a pulpit. Do you think the Apostle Paul really knew the names of the thousands who were added to the church daily or that he made hospital visits? They said its a new testament model so it is. Hi GSD, Im afraid for our church. it wasn't when we spent 10 years in inter city ministry and certainly not the 60 hour week my husband put in hoping on day his boss will finally honour his words and we can buy in to the company after using his name in a limited parntership where due to the financial mess of '08 we haven't seen a bit of profit but have had insurance go up 40 percent. But since we were talking about why hire a teaching pastor who is already employed full-time elsewhere for only the purpose of giving sermons, and okrapod asked why cant pastors and staff be diversified. We are in a church in which the pastors do show love and humility. But I also think it has two drawbacks: 1) Not giving it the credence it deserves at one extreme. The great irony is that, in their vast contempt for women, these young men are haplessly led (like an ox going to the slaughter) astray by preaching itself, the true adulteress in this scenario. Suffice to say, God desires a cleaned-up people group, where He can dwell in their midst. Platt writes, In a world full of rights, Jesus says, If youre going to follow me, you must die every single day to the rights you claim in order to do anything and Absolutely we are to proclaim the LORDs death till He comes. i could care less about your career. We need to assemble, and we need each other to live out the one anothers. Christ gave Himself for the Church. Bet it was said with a disarming smile. Its very much a privilege of churches that can insulate the preacher from the congregation. I think the answer lies in two seemingly unrelated things sometime ~1997 when 9Marks took off and when SGM became Reformed. C.J. Take this opportunity to tell these supposed *pastors* what you think a pastor should be. Whenever I feel ashamed to be a Southern Baptist because of the reputation and antics of these snake oil salesmen, I have to remind myself that they are clearly NOT Southern Baptiststhey have only ridden on the coat tails of the SBC to seize fame and fortune. Because healthy community is missional. __ And then, in adulthood, we become the teachers, the feeders ourselves? Now, does pastor osittin around need a person parsonage exemption up to 30% of his salary? I was fed by the sermons that Lon Solomon preached during the past year that I attended MBC. In kind renumeration is not a salary as you mention. I believe they will be held accountable. Possibly a merger of IMB and NAMB which would be useful bury several issues *and* create new opportunities. I dont know what triggered you to interpret have to have a man from my text. But then, I do suppose that the super-righteous could limit the crowd to only those who think alike-or like them or something, based on no room in the house. (Yet Mahaney refers to the hours and hours and hours and hours and hours it takes to prepare sermon!) But it should be available. A lot of people love David Platt but I am not a fan, and the idea that he can lead the IMB and spend that much time on one sermon per week, while trying to raise a family and be a godly man, is astonishing to me. Why would the love of God mean that we were created to merely be lap dogs good for nothing more than some sort of warm fuzzy feeling. I believe they prevailed. Yeah, I know several families that were in Nepal in a similar sense, one family for 20 yrs or so, 6 days walk away from the nearest road, while the others did veterinary work in an area almost as rural. for those working normal jobs in the community. We were rather shocked about his attitude toward pastoring. Whos We? The entitlement mentally is astonishing. God is interested in and respects what we think, our initiative, our ideas, our plans, our decisions We are called to be like the Bereans in Acts 17:11, so the more I followed up with Davids teaching I found that he plays fast and loose with Gods word. Something is amiss. Please preface it with, As the New Testament CLEARLY shows in XYZ, Law Prof wrote: And the Global Replace String man With String person' approach gets pretty silly. Church was run, shepherded, pastored, whatever you want to call leading the flock by all of us. He finally harped so much on Radical that my family left Brook Hills after 4 years, spiritually drained and exhausted. He had his family and his oilfield job, and we were either adults or in families with adults. I would like to say to all of you. what these guys are doing and see some of the connections. I look forward to reading what she has to say about the sexual abuse coverup in the church her ex-husband, Joshua was senior pastor. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=llNnlE6Hbuc. Does Public Broadcasting Need Your Tote Bag Deep into the churchs 1 And, I suppose, the crowds can just forget it; how many people have houses that big? Also, someone up the comment ladder was mentioning campus churches where the pastor is only on the big screen. When Jesus said that He would build His church and said that the Spirit would come, but failed to mention a new book of laws, I guess He just lost His perspective there for a bit? I know of a Bible church in our area (the Triangle Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill) where it appears the elders, not the congregation, hand-picked the pastor. Paul instructed Timothy to give attention to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation and teaching (1 Tim 4:13); to take pains with these things, be absorbed in them, to pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching, and persevere in these things. How does this work? It seems perfectly obvious to me that He wants more when it comes to eternity than just hanging around and thinking pleasant thoughts, so to speak. (1) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3mvDQWOQ2iI, Every Challenge To Calvinism, Is A Heavenly Opportunity, All of heaven shall hear my cry, when Jesus returns, will there be faith upon the earth?, Spy If we show the world what a high cost we are willing to pay for Gods love, the world might be able to look outside the order of created things and see a Hope that they would be willing to pay the cost for. I grew up Church of Christ however; denominations mean nothing to me. .The idea that the person doing the preaching must be the same person doing the ministering is really born of later parish systems, not the New Testament text. Ever wonder (Wonder Bread) why the lame and the blind are mentioned so often together in scripture? @Richard- My family also attends (Soon to be attended) MBC and feel the exact opposite. Unfortunately, churches have become so institutionalized it is almost impossible for that person to do what God meant for them to do. I love this story! Thanks Grad. I hear some of you saying that you want a personal interaction with a pastor. And its the craziest thing ever. I disagree here. Bringing out the same exact thoughts / ideas? My point was in response to a completely different statement the idea that we are saved to go on missions. Often, they are on the same track, preaching the same series, with a slightly different title for each series. For me, its a point of emphasis. 2) And making way too much of it at the other. The early church did without them for centuries, and was pretty effective. We do not build service upon ministering unto others created things cannot be our motivation. What does any of this have to do with God? The pastor never spoke to me and his understudy said something goofy, like Isnt the sky blue today? There were a total of about 15 people at the funeral. The other day on a Facebook page that I like, the post was a political one. There is an interesting discussion on this subject between Mark Driscoll, James McDonald and Mark Dever here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ukvHuwFzBA. . Cue the choking voice and near tears as he passionately tells his church of all the Nepalese dying without hearing the Gospel. Very few people are in jobs that are truly safe. I found your comment fascinating. I think those who are critical of David and this arrangement with MBC dont understand the church. I dont view Christians (during the week) as scattered. rather, an unpaid volunteer gifted in compassion & empathy. Additionally, DeYoung is a member of The Gospel Coalition Council and writes frequent articles for their blog, is the Senior pastor of Christ Covenant Church in Matthews, North Carolina, is an active member of the celebrity Christian conference circuit, teaches at Reformed Seminary, and is working on his Ph.D. As for spending 20-25 hours to prepare a sermon, that may be the case with a real pastor, but in my research I have found it is rarely the case with the busy celebrity preachers. Other businesses in the area complained that the Coffee House was not a legitimate church service because it was designed to attract young people and compete with their businesses. Took me six months before my stamina came back and over a year before my gut felt normal again. @ Mandavilla: Not screaming like his passengers. @ Dave A A: 34:1-10)? His sermons his weekend gig are dark and uninspiring. I suggest you spend some time in your 10 hours of studying Gods word to review what is involved in being a pastor. If Im not mistaken, K. Deyoung is also a competitive masters runner. More and more of the community are showing up with poor eyesight and bad circulation in the feet. I think the title of pastor has lost its meaning. WebDavid Andrew Platt (born 10 June 1966) is an English former professional football coach and player, who played as a midfielder.. Born in Chadderton, Lancashire, Platt began his career as an apprentice at Manchester United before moving to Crewe Alexandra, where he began building a reputation as a goal-scoring midfielder.At the age of 22, he signed for Disclaimer: We have had a pastor/missionary in the family-by marriage-and I came close to getting fitted for an orange jump suit over that rascal. He basically made it sound like unless you were Elder material you shouldnt be a missionary. He isnt married in order to allow him to be the uberparent to the parish. But they are the foundation to faith and give definition and motivation to service (in light of His great love). I am certainly not saying that my job is equivalent to giving a sermon at church but I do have to lead the meeting, I have to ask the right questions and ferret out information that people may be unwilling to give (but we tell them up front, this is not a fault-finding exercise). Yes mission is important but it is the means, not the end. Is it common for Calvinist pastors to preach almost word for word Piper / MacArthurs sermons on the same exact texts? This post has many thoughtful insights, especially the character qualities needed to be a loving pastor. I do think ministry of the Word takes precedence over pastoral care. Our collective gathering together has far more impact than the individual can judge from our own vantage point. Im all over the continuum insofar as views go. I see you met the pastor at my former church. @ Arnold Smartarse: But the salvation of the world has a purpose beyond that. (1) McLean Bible Church, https://www.mcleanbible.org. I think we see a lot of cases where pastors shy away from becoming friends with the people in their church. What do you reckon the remuneration will be for this part-time pastoring? Paul gave sermons in the public spaces and synagogues. But we didnt expect him to know us all by name, succor us through the tough times of life, or somehow be there for us 24/7. We both know the answer, yet dont follow this when we have someone adding their own agenda. And while Im at it, Ive been on enough church building projects to know that buildings and public meetings arent necessarily blessings. As JMJ over at Christian Monist would frequently point out, theres a LOT of Guilt Manipulation in the church. I hope not. elastigirl wrote: I still want to know the story of the 1,000 SBC missionaries that were called home. authority. I am a member of MBCbut now a former member as of today. C H Spurgeon : The old truth that Calvin preached, that Augustine preached, that Paul preached, is the truth that I must preach today, or else be false to my conscience and my God., C H Spurgeon : There is no soul living who holds more firmly to the doctrines of grace (ed. But I have to ask, how can the walking podcast be my shepherd? These graduates then serve the Church. If push comes to shove, I think they would ditch Complementariansm in order to save Authoritarianism, which is what they really value. feeling tension over what is duplicitous, deceitful, self-promoting under the cover of God is a healthy response. The produce being sold includes commercial growers, according to the signs on their pickup trucks. Sorry for initiating a rabbit trail but to clarify a classical liberal is more like a libertarian but sees the need for just a tad more government. We are in great peril if our skills and talents exceed our spiritual character. Not a clue. Its no wonder men want it for themselves; its no wonder so many idealistic, but ambitious and easily-seduced young men are both dazzled by those who find fame and fortune doing it, and want it for themselves. Week in the hospital with IV antibiotics and drains (after a few days on NG tube and Foley no fun), then recuperating at home for a month on a restricted diet. Hes doing well. @ Gram3: (That may be why they havent pushed us too hard to sign the old one. When I have disasters, and I have had a few, the last thing I need is one more person trying to get involved. Based on social media, not everyone is excited about it. http://www.christianebooks.com/TheGrahamFormulaDownload.pdf. This year Ive been watching 5 churches that broadcast their worship live on Sundays. Platt, unfortunately, was merely a podcast in person. Platt has always been a figurehead at the IMB, in my opinion. He clearly could not know everyone by name as our capacity as humanssociologically speakingtaps out at around 150 (if you look at the literature). Jimmy has a unique voice, to say the least, which has some fans even asking if he has a speech impediment or is hard of hearing. When people grasp us too strongly, either with their love or with their dependence, we are intuitively conscious that they are not looking to God, and we become paralyzed in our efforts to help them. I dont know whether the church rents out the parking lot for profit or provides some or all spaces for free. Many in the radical reformation rejected that idea as unbiblical. I have long been an advocate of this. Preaching is fun. We are to go into all the world and BE witnesses. Is it any wonder why those of discerning tastes are leaving the brand of loyalty and switching bakeries? Uniformity of the product and driving down of the raw cost of goods is next on the agenda. I think the title of pastor has lost its meaning. Incidentally, Platt captained England on numerous occasions and his Wiki bio says the following: The official England history regarded him as a tireless runner and tidy passer, leading by quiet example providing inspiration at a time when it was a rare commodity. Its soft texture conforms to you when you grasp it! And thats okay too. Im a newbie here, so Im reluctant to put up a lot of text, but I do think this is applicable to the discussion. One can improve the business by power of advertising and might of distribution. the placid, smiley response is the wrong one. In oterh words, find a real church.. 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