Here are the tapers of the Dickerson 8014GS from the rod Jeff Fultz mic'ed and from Banjo's rod, since I had several requests both on and off list, I'll post here so anyone who wants them can save them. My question is, as I plan for my next rod, are these the same rod or is there a difference? by avyoung 06/16/16 18:33, Post 55 0.2275 5 0.0825 If you would like to give Michigan a try, let me know. . The slope of the taper of this rod is .014/5" or a B-8.4 (taking the average drop from 80" thru 0"). (Tim Pembroke). 5 0.088 112541 Fly Fishing Supplies & Gear. 55 0.217 145405 I have just finished reading your post regarding Straight Line Tapers and Straight horizontal Stress Curves and I must say that you as well as robin really do need a refresher course in Stress Curves. Examples would be different techniques or methods used by restorationists and makers. I would go with Thramer. The best reason that I can give you as to why Dickersons are popular tapers (Along with another Michigan maker Paul Young) is that they are nice casting rods and fit our fishing very well. This rod consists of medium tempered cane constructed in a 3x3 node pattern with Dickerson tan wraps and black tipping. (Will Price), Is not 7'6'' a bit short for a five weight? It was a rod I hate. Consider this one if your maker plans on using Super Z ferrules. The rod action will not resemble a straight line taper any longer. Sold Out $4,050.00 Description Particulars For your consideration is a Lyle Dickerson model 8013 bamboo fly rod made in 1948. I would be interested to hear Bob Norwood's approach on this issue. As to my question about the ferrules is, your rods say, e.g. Crisp, strong, smooth, versatile. Now you have a rod in the length, line weight and number of section you want. (Henry Mitchell), In Dickerson-speak, it would be a size 13 on the butt, and a 12 on the tip. Made by Top Ten Tapers in Twinsburg, Ohio. Could this be the difference between an 861711D and an 861711? 0.266 To the right of that you'll see there is a column allowing for varnish. The butt dimension at the ferrule is too large to fit in a 13/64. 80 0.3 Part of the midwestcadre of noted builders, he built rods from the 1930's onward and was especially known for his fast two-piece rods. Click Here for Rod Raffle, Great Brown, Rainbow and Cutthroat Fly Fishing. It does not do anything to the action as most of the last 3 inches is inside the ferrule anyway. 0 .326 .180 Determine the effect of adding or subtracting material as to what effect it will have on rod action, we can design rods for a specific purpose. Adding material to the butt section will stiffen and add power. Here are the numbers someone else posted earlier this year for the Dickerson 8014 GS. Some use this to define the average rod speed. by Morten 05/26/17 03:35, Post 35 .188 .332 Lyle Dickerson oft written about little powerhouse of a rod. Quite a disparity. and .360@45. We all have devices to try to self describe tapers. You are correct, this is just a way of evaluating the effects of adding or subtracting material from different areas along a rods length. .334@35 Varnish of 0.004 subtracted. 0.248 But all you have done is show the straight line taper for between two dimensions. Narrow steam but very exposed and windy thus needing a #5 line? by jim royston 05/26/17 08:58, Return to Rod making, restoration, repairs and discussion on those related topics concerning bamboo rods., Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. 0.360 (Jay Hake). (Lee Koch), I primarily use RodDNA for my taper selection. Spotted lanternfly is an invasive plant hopper native to eastern Asia. (Robin Haywood). Interests: Building bamboo fly rods (occasionally), fly fishing for trout. For the tip section use the smaller number and for the butt section use the larger number. One of my favorite rods is a linear taper with a "slope" of .290/100". If you want to see the justification for compound tapers look at the design of the Eiffel tower or any electricity pylon. (four piece) carbon fiber spey blank. If you want to make one as a sort of standard then try a rate of taper of 13.5 thousandths per station, it gives a Gould rating of 270 which is a useful point about which to have a conversation with yourself about what you think is medium fast and what you think is fast. by ShenRods 05/08/09 01:54, Post Dickerson 801611-D - 8ft 3pc 7wt Posted by Jeremy Gray, Aug 30, 2000. You simply have to then adjust the rate of change of the taper - the rise. You could have chosen Tom Fulk's true arc taper as the norm and try to describe the deviations from that. Gary - The following taper was taken from a varnished 8013. If you 'hide' columns you can then compare and easily see differences in any combination of selected rod tapers. Pt Butt Tip This in itself is a very interesting exercise. Overhanging trees? The '51 is a bit softer. When things are stated incorrectly, many of the newer makers on the list can get very confused. (Will Price). But more relevant and to the point, I bought a single tip Dickerson 7613 from John and he recently provided me with a second tip from pre-embargo cane and original Dickerson hardware, and the action is a dead ringer for the original Dickerson 7613. In case you didn't get the taper before, here it is: 0.066 he then concludes with a diabolical smile. .288@30 (Rich Jezioro). First found in the United States in 2014 in southeastern Pennsylvania, spotted lanternfly has spread rapidly through the eastern states. DICKERSON 8013 RBS Special - 8' 2/2 - 5wt- honey colored - the legendary 8013 Special is an impressive and powerful med/fast action all-round trout -- taper miked from a Ray Bergman original shop rod. 0.168 I have made about 6 for auctions and as favors and all have been very well received and enjoyed. 0.248 All 5wt with identical terminal tip and butt dimensions. If so, which would work best as an all-around rod for lakes/ponds and steelhead/salmon? The 3 flats got averaged and put into a column in the center of the page. I have limited the list as practical to tapers which are not obviously taken from Hexrod.net, in RodDNA, or in contemporary books such as Howells, Gould or Mauer. I really must stir myself to come and fish them, it's time that's the enemy. How drastically do you think it would change the action if I pushed the swell out in front of the handle? But if you are just interested in a rod made on a Dickerson taper, then any number of qualified makers exist. On a theoretical straight line or linear taper the rod would load progressively down to the handle. I believe he told me he placed his roll casting hinge 10"-15" above the handle, depending on rod length. 60 0.242 I don't find the 7'6" length to be too short. The stepped down portion of the male is 2/64's smaller than the sleeve. Then the part of the ferrule that fits on the bamboo inside the male slide 'stepped down' to .187" ID, or 12/64. Fast Dickerson 7613 - 7'6" 2pc It's why I'm fussy about ring weight on the tips of rods below #6. I'm just curious if you have a procedure to do this compensation on the taper itself or if you do this by stress calculation methods? As this was my favorite rod, much foul language followed. 6 wt 0.0752 25 0.1405 Following tests I no longer cook UHU. . Made 4 or 5 of the lighter. Straight tapers are just that, nobody needs to develop them, as if they did they wouldn't be straight anymore. Just basic principles that have been around for years. All of which indicates to me that there is not one 'correct' straight line taper. Stress curves are an integral part of this process and have to be evaluated. the all-around trout rod out here in the Western US. (Bob Norwood), I was wondering if anyone has tried out the Dickerson 8615 7wt, the Garrison 221 7 wt, or the Payne Canadian Canoe 7 wt? You can build this rod and have a neutral action rod (my term). Actually I feel an increase of .030 would be sufficient. 85 0.296 138357 (David Zincavage), You can inform your authority that he is wayyyyyyyyyy off base!! And you are of course correct in pointing out that stress numbers means nothing without the particulars of the line weight and length. The trouble is, that's all it does! You don't find a need for a 7'6" 5wt on your streams. (David Atchison), Didn't Dickerson make his own ferrules and weren't they slightly oversized? He can correct this if he is still hanging around. Anyway, far too few people concern themselves over what should be the staple obsession of every rodmaker-design. I love the 7612 Taper. I just wanted to make the point that there's a difference between a rod with a straight taper and one with a straight, flat stress curve. You can design a flyrod, racing bicycle, airplane or motorcar to do one thing superbly with ease. In fact, as the requirements of a stream rod are very simple, this is what we do. Hi Guys, Also, some of those Heddons would have had pins through the tab area causing, in my view, problems. 45 .212 under reel seat, The numbers listed below are from Banjos' rod, 0 .084 .238 Common sense tells me to leave the middle of the taper . I only use short rods on overgrown streams. Typically it is a heavy tip section combined with a light butt section. I own one of his 7612s and it's a wonderful rod. The Lovely Reed by Jack Howell has numbers for the 1949 and 1951 versions. They are very nice 5 weights ( IMHO it is THE 8 5 wt). One authority I know claims Jim Payne actually built more fly rods than Orvis. 0.288 (Paul Blakley). (Bob Norwood). Just like the makers of Ping golf clubs, who ban their retailers from selling on the internet, I do not see how it is possible to make a rod for someone without the presence of that person for a considerable time on a casting court. The last page shows our interpolated numbers, on 5 inch stations, with varnish already subtracted, using both the Howell method (measure stations from the butt up) or the "classic" method (measure stations from the tip down.) (Pete Van Schaack), Has anyone made the Dickerson 8015 guide special at some time? In reading my post the tone seems a little harsh. If you want to make overweight rods with unnecessarily heavy tips and relatively floppy butts then straight tapers will deliver. Welcome to the Taper Archives; The data on this page reflects the work of generations of dedicated rodmakers. It was normal at the time to fit ferrules to the tip and undercut the butt to fit. For example a 13 was really a 13.5? To my way of looking at this taper, its definitely an 8 wt. 0.088 Leonard patent, I believe. It's been my experience that a straight taper can be a very nice rod when designed correctly; for example a 4wt with a tip of 0.068 and a station rise of 0.013. Start out by choosing your fly rod, and follow it up with a visit to our collection of fly reels. (Robin Haywood), I consider a 7 1/2-ft. 5wt. 90 0.296 157251. In fact, I used this taper, hollow built, when taking the FFF casting certification test. Perhaps you can see why I think that a 1500 cane rod may be a bargain! To all of them and their contemporaries we are grateful . Still own the other and it has a DT6 on it. The part of the ferrule that fits on the bamboo on the female side (butt side) had an inside diameter (ID) of .221", or 14/64. the stated ferrule dimensions always follow from the TIP dimensions, not the butt dimensions. Even if EC did "compound" his B-9 taper just in front of the ferrule for a specific reason, it wouldn't negate the fact that this is AT HEART A STRAIGHT TAPER. I think we can say that adding more material to a tip section would produce more power and reducing material on the tip section will increase accuracy and delicacy of fly presentation. (Timothy Troester). I sold one to a co-worker who is a streamer guy and he fishes it with a full sinking 5 wt line and is happy with it. 761510: 7'6" 3/2 5 wt. "Proper amounts" and "correct points" are hardly scientifically precise terms, so I regret that I don't know what you might mean. That's the "raw cane" numbers. I have a chart of the dimensions at home, if you need a copy email me off list. It's a 7 wt too but being a little shorter is easier on the arm and shoulder due to the shorter lever arm length. Obviously, custom tapers take a little longer to develop and build. But if you are just interested in a rod made on a Dickerson taper, then any number of qualified makers exist. 90 0.329 I like 8013's. I add a few thousandths to the last 3 inches to get a better fit. The swell starts at the 80" mark which will be under the cork assuming I have a grip and an insert roughly 10" in length. Because of subjective issues like feel and personal prejudices, not to mention fashion, we "adjust" this a bit in fishing rods. Lyle Dickerson (1892-1981) has long been known as a pioneer in rodbuilding, due partly to his use of machinery in production but primarily appreciated by fishermen for many of his fast and accurate taper designs. Should be a very nice rod, good Taper. (Robin Haywood). It also is fine on smaller streams. 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