Andy: Yeah, well Id had that for years by that stage and I think itd be grossly hypocritical for me to even begin to whinge about that, so I never had any issue with that at all. It taught me that I consider myself to be a reasonably good friend but I think I could have been better, so I think it taught me to be a better friend. There are dogs and there are searches and its another one of those sort of movie scenes. In the same way, Jane, that I hope that people will not judge me entirely on my mistakes, Im not going to judge other people entirely on their mistakes. So, I spot the signs and I know what to do and I know how to kind of avoid it. I think it is something that you need to continually look at and work on and assess and I certainly do that. And I was able, very quickly totally different approach, totally different kind of attitude, the governor there, his view was, weve got you for a while and were going to make the most of it. I was treated perfectly decently and fairly but its just something that you think to yourself, I cant quite believe this is happening to me. [32] It later emerged that he was still being paid by News International while working for the then opposition leader. In this first episode of the second series, Andy puts himself on the other side of the microphone and talks to journalist and broadcaster Jane Moore about his five-year crisis. "[31] According to Chris Bryant MP, senior officials working with Coulson believed that he had the same clearance level as his predecessor. Andy: I think I would, to be honest, yeah, because Im just not outraged enough by much any more. [40] Cameron, though, defended Coulson on the morning of 9 July: "I believe in giving people a second chance. We were doing, it sounds ridiculous, Dragons Den presentations of ideas for what they were going to do when they got released, and mock interviews. "[41], On 1 September 2010 The New York Times printed new allegations from former News of the World reporters alleging that Coulson had "actively encouraged" reporters to illegally intercept voicemail messages, and that he "was present during discussions about phone hacking". Andy talks about confronting his mistakes and the . During the course of the first series, there have been a few moments where people have asked me, guests have asked me, about my own experiences and Ive been happy to give a response. Business City Spy: PR Week unveils its top spinners of the year. There were some fights, but never anything directed at me and nothing that caused me to feel scared in Belmarsh and certainly not when I got to Hollesley Bay, which was a different regime altogether. Journalist and broadcaster Jane Moore asked the questions for Coulsons new podcast series, Crisis What Crisis? I was really concerned. Take control of what you actually have control over and, of course, the main thing that you have control over is your own mind-set and your own attitude. It's only the bloody Stig.This Just In is an online comedy service . Jane: So, tell me, what was a typical day at Belmarsh? Trusted, high impact counsel, campaigns and crisis management for leaders, from Andy Coulson, Jon Steafel, Susan Adams and team. Andy: Well I think for most people, not all actually, but most people who go to prison it's the kind of beginning of the end because yes youre in a van, yes youre going to Belmarsh, but you know now you are on the road, actually, to the end. Jane: So you just sort of top up when you need it? The most common refrain was Its not like the House of Commons, is it Andy?. 59 records for Andy Coulson. I think thats probably about right and so I have no issue with other peoples views about me. Its not on my record. When you saw very young men like that in prison, now that your own boys are reaching past adulthood, did you, sort of, connect with them? Lots of people were sending me books and I wasnt allowed to have them because they were, I thought rather ridiculously, banned at that stage by a former colleague of mine, Chris Grayling. What conversations did you have with your older boys? Youve got to accept it, your good decisions and your bad decisions, and you have just got to move forward so trying to unpick in the past ask me from the point of a mental health issue, if you like, without doubt the most damaging, corrosive thing, is that reliving the past. I have apologised during the trial and Ill do it again now, here. Andy: On the morning that I knew I was going to prison, I went to the back of my garden (I live out in the country), I went over the fence and into a field and then eventually I arranged for a local cab. Having to ring Eloise and say, its not just about getting through this prison sentence, we are going to do it all over again, that was probably the worst moment. I was an ex-Murdoch employee in government and a lot of people really didnt like that and saw a lot of conspiracies within that, that I was some kind of stooge, which I absolutely was not. [2], Coulson started work at 18 as a junior reporter on the Basildon Echo in 1986. Andy: Yeah, my view was that they had absolutely every right to be at the end of my drive and they had every right to try and get a picture of me and I had every right to avoid it. [49], The Guardian reported on 7 July 2011 that Coulson was to be arrested the following day, along with a senior journalist whom the paper refused to name. - Delivered a Conduct-focused approach and embedded cultural change focused on . Simple as that, and theres a lot of that that goes on. Its a very long Victorian corridor full of very old Victorian cells in which there have been some very famous and very notorious criminals over the years. Some people said that you deserved everything you got by going to prison and others, I think when you were talking to Richard Bacon in a previous podcast, he said that your sentence was very harsh. Where did the resilience come from, do you think, to deal with that? Andrew Edward Coulson (born 21 January 1968) [2] [3] is an English journalist and political strategist. [48], However, the Crown Prosecution Service said in December 2010 that it had determined that there was insufficient evidence to charge Coulson over allegations that he was aware of phone-hacking at the publication. I think it is partly chemistry and I think its partly experience and I have got a lot of crisis experience from a professional point of view. It was reported that as a condition of his early release on home detention curfew (HDC) Coulson would have to wear an electronic tag until he had served half of his full sentence. "Due to the unique nature of our shoreline, we have designed and constructed our own barges and tugs to accommodate services in landscaping, septic systems, demolition, and excavation,"says Arnie. How can I do that? Which it was. Certainly, when you find yourself in crisis and thats also, more importantly, just not how I see it. And then I noticed that the windows of the Serco van that I was in were rose-tinted. Youre a state-school-educated Essex lad. If you have a life sentence, if youve murdered someone, you will finish your sentence in a prison like Hollesley Bay. Andy: Oh yeah, without any shadow of a doubt and thats thanks to her, not me. The problem was that I wasnt being categorised and I was told categorically, youre not going to get categorised. If thats how he feels, thats how he feels. I think, as you say, if she had decided enough was enough I dont think there is anyone who would have blamed her for it. Jane: And that was what, because of the dangers of drug smuggling? Its hopeless. Prison is a, very obviously, stark place but it is also packed with emotion. Its definitely true of The Pickwick Papers because youve got politics, youve got the law, youve got prison, youve got journalism. I just think people deal with things in different ways. [4][5] The overall impact from his tenure came to be known as the "Coulson effect". Andy: Yeah, yeah. Jane: So, lets sort of go back in time a bit. And I had so much incoming. Jane: Do you feel a need to keep on apologising? Nobody there wanted me to go. Jane: You were acquitted. There were mistakes made during my time at the News of the World, without any shadow of a doubt, but my 20s were professionally rewarding, fascinating and fun and newspapers were I cant speak for now because Ive been out of them for so long a very exciting place to be. Andy: Well, just the checking-in process because Id obviously tried to do some research beforehand. In 1994, he briefly moved to the Daily Mail, but after nine weeks moved back to The Sun to edit Bizarre. We built a brilliant team, we had the coalition. Coulson had served as the editor of News of the World from 2003 to 2007, when he Read More Andy: We had lunch and we talked about politics, as you might expect, and life after politics which is, of course, where he is now. In 2001, in the run up to the general election, he asked Tony and Cherie Blair whether they were members of the mile high club. Jane: We now know, obviously, that you came through all of that, you served your time, the Scottish situation went away. They were to work within the PCC code at all times". And politics is an hourly crisis, right? On 21 November 2014, Coulson was released from prison having served less than five months of his 18-month prison sentence. And I totally accept that and I am very sorry for it. There were a lot of agendas being played. And I thought, this is just hopeless, Im his Director of Communications and Im learning things in the paper. Jane: Lets just backtrack a bit there. And no one can give you that answer in advance. There were elements of my crisis that were entirely self-inflicted. There are probably people out there who maybe even think worse, but there is nothing I can do about that. Coulson Brothers now has the largest capacity on the Muskoka lakes, with five barges capable of transporting any size or weight. Id start with that, I think. Again, that came out in a previous podcast, I think with Jeremy. We worked together for a long time. Jane: And they take all of your clothes away, I assume? Its proper drama. What did crisis teach you about friendship? I didnt know what was going to happen and I didnt know what I was going to find. That doesnt mean that Im pleased it happened, Im not. I ran it as a campaign in my head and I had charts on the wall, at one stage the house was literally full of files. And its going to be Groundhog Day and actually the consequences of that trial could be even worse in Scotland and then a whole load of politics attached to that and theres a whole load of new agendas. One you can have total control over, and that is: dont get into debt. [43] Sean Hoare, showbusiness reporter at News of the World during Coulson's reign speaking on Five Live, who accused Coulson of lying, has said that indeed Coulson did not ask him to phone hack but veiled his request in "metaphorical language" and asked him to practise his "dark arts". So, until you are there for, as it turned out for me, a couple of weeks, a bit longer actually, youve got to wear this kind of corned-beef-coloured tracksuit, which is utterly charming. [52], On 24 July 2012, Coulson was charged along with seven others for "conspiring to intercept communications without lawful authority from 3 October 2000 to 9 August 2006. I cant say I succeeded in that regard, but that was certainly the instinctive approach that I took to it. I dont know, but it was incredibly frustrating. Beginning the Entrepreneurial Journey. Early life. [14] On 30 June 2014, it was announced that he would face a retrial over two counts of conspiring to cause misconduct in public office in relation to the alleged purchase of confidential royal phone directories in 2005 from a palace police officer after the jury in the original trial was unable to reach a verdict on them. Appalling times, by the way, that are far in excess of anything that Ive ever experienced, and we became friends. And thats absolutely not how I feel. Andy: I have, yeah, and weve had that discussion. I quite like the one-in-five theory; that out of five people that you meet, three of them will be indifferent, one will think that youre an absolute superstar and the other one will never want to look you in the face again. I accepted the verdict in the end, or rather its consequences I accepted. [22], On 21 July 2009 Coulson appeared in front of the House of Commons Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee and denied any knowledge of the phone hacking scandal, saying "my instructions to the staff were clear we did not use subterfuge of any kind unless there was a clear public interest in doing so. Andy: Yeah, there came a point where I was told pretty formally, youre not going anywhere. Its an unnatural thing to do to relive your life and, by the way, if all you are doing is reliving your life through a negative prism, its a fundamentally unhealthy thing to do. Im pleased about that but someone needs to tell Google. Andy Coulson, the British prime minister's former communications chief, has been arrested by detectives investigating allegations of phone hacking at the Sunday tabloid, the News of the World . Prosecutor Andrew Edis QC. The key to it, I think, with therapy is you have got to find the right person. Jane: Do I get one of those for doing this? Hacked Celebrity VoicmailsWhose voicemails has Jorg Coulson been hacking into this week? Because they, obviously, are the most important thing in my life, along with Eloise, and I wanted them to see that I was OK. All I know is that when I took the job, actually, I said to him, Im taking this job, David, on the basis that I will not go into Downing Street because that was the deal Id done with Eloise. As director of communications for the Conservatives he does an excellent job in a proper, upright way at all times. And I thought that was plain wrong and I was livid about it. At that stage there was a book ban in prisons, so no chance of getting any books at all. I suppose because the thing was so public and had been so long running, Ellie and I took the view that we werent going to try and attempt to hide any of it from them. Jane: I mean, two of those jobs there that you mentioned, the powerful jobs, obviously they do bring their own sort of sets of criticism with them. I know Harvey was, what, 14? Jane: I remember coming to see you with Eloise and the boys and you all sort of sit in a gymnasium, dont you? I love a good book, both fiction and non-fiction. Former News of the World editor Andy Coulson has been released from prison after serving nearly five months in jail for conspiracy to hack phones. I think actually, given that I was a tabloid newspaper editor and a political communications director, I dont really think theres much of a moral high-horse for me to climb on if people want to form a view of me. Its a wine called Chateau Musar and its from the Lebanon and I chose it because it is really tasty and also because it is liquid proof that there is good to come from crisis, given where this wine is made. [27], After David Cameron became Prime Minister in May 2010, he appointed Coulson as Director of Communications for the government at 10 Downing Street. Jane: So how did you avoid that photograph? And that brings with it a whole bunch of other issues as well. Shes just not got a bitter bone in her body. There are very, very few of them that I continue to feel any sort of disappointment about, because people have got their own lives and you see that very quickly. I think it was wrong. And keep the smile on my face and move myself and my family forward every day, which is exactly what we do, its exactly our attitude. Andy Coulson (Andrew Edward Coulson) was born on 21 January, 1968, is a Journalist, newspaper editor. Funny, at least for the first 10 times. How do you view it? Andy: I do, yeah. Andy: There were a lot of politics in it. Then before I knew it I was standing on the landing and being put into a holding cell and then they told me Youre going to Suffolk, going to a place called Hollesley Bay.' [28], Coulson announced his resignation on 21 January 2011. Ask away. I made my case but I obviously didnt succeed with the jury. So your boys did come to Belmarsh? A high-profile scandal which unravelled his life and led to a spell in prison. It turned out that all of my research and all the advice was entirely wrong and so a lot of the stuff that I took in, I had a radio, I took some books, all of that was gone, stamps were gone. Long before, in truth. But the net result of all that stuff that happened over the course of five years or more has definitely made us stronger as a family. There are 100+ professionals named "Andy Coulson", who use LinkedIn to exchange information, ideas, and opportunities. Jane: You are just talking there about your absolute love of that job at Downing Street. Jane: Are you still friends? [6][7], Coulson was arrested by the Metropolitan Police Service on 8 July 2011 in connection with allegations of corruption and phone hacking. Now, a lot of women, I think, in particular listening to this would think, well we wouldnt blame her for just giving up on you after all of that, but she didnt. Thats basically where you spend yourself emotionally as an editor, in between those two things. That these prison sentences, you end up in a holiday-camp prison. I think woe is me are probably the three most useless words in any event. There have been the odd conversations. So its just too easy, I think, either for him or for me to say, I wish it had never happened, because you make decisions in the moment. I dont think its something that you sort of say right, great, Ive done that, thats finished. Andy Coulson is the former spokesman for No 10 who reached the highest levels of his profession - before coming crashing down as a result of the phone-hacking scandal. Andy: Well, we did talk about it and wed already talked about it. [1][65], English journalist and political strategist, Conservative Party communications director, Downing Street Director of Communications. Andy: Probably a bit of both. I do believe its a muscle and my muscle was very well exercised by the time I found myself dealing with my own. That was very difficult. The Coulson Brothers - Mills Brothers Medley -Bass Guitar & Vocals - Curt CoulsonLead Guitar & Vocals - Jack CoulsonKeyboards & Vocals - Otis CliftonDrums & . And I made mistakes in my personal life as well, and so Ive never at any point felt why me? about it because thats just not how I feel. Now, I dont recall seeing one of you. What happens to you when you come there? And the reason that Ive been able to, its been a long time since I came out of prison and the reason Ive been able to get back on my feet, Ive got a reasonably successful business now and Ive got some fantastic clients and colleagues, life is pretty good, and that is in large part due to her. "[53] These charges were made about 1 year after the Metropolitan Police Service reopened its dormant investigation into phone hacking,[54] about 3 years after the then Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Service told the Commons Culture, Media and Sport Committee that "no additional evidence has come to light,"[55] 5 years after Coulson and News International executives began claiming that phone hacking was the work of a single "rogue reporter,"[56] 10 years after The Guardian began reporting that the Met had evidence of widespread illegal acquisition of confidential information,[57] and 13 years after the Met began accumulating "boxloads" of that evidence, including sources for News of the World journalists while Coulson was editor, but kept it unexamined in trash bags at Scotland Yard. No one wants to spend two months of their life in a high-security prison, certainly, but I was mainly concerned about my boys because I wanted to see them and I didnt want them to visit me in a high-security prison. And I managed to get there. Dublin. I think there are people who probably think that the door should have been locked forever. Andrew Edward Coulson (born 21 January 1968)[2][3] is an English journalist and political strategist. Now, she already knew about it, but having it made public was not easy, of course, and then you went to prison. But Ive never done it in any detail other than, of course, over a very long period in a witness box in the Old Bailey. Does that tail occasionally whip round and hit you? Andy: Well, I think because of the podcast series. Jane: So, there came a point where you thought, OK, I dont know how long Im going to be here. Andy: Well, losing people, like we all have. And they were nothing short of incredible. [20], He became deputy editor of the News of the World, the Sunday sister paper of The Sun, in 2000. But the bigger point for me is that number of people who ran into the gunfire for me, who owed me nothing and who have become unbelievable friends and support to me and to the family. "[45], A report aired on Channel 4's Dispatches in October included remarks made by an unnamed source, said to have been a former senior journalist at the News of the World who worked alongside Coulson. Those were my choices and when you take jobs like that, people are going to form a view. So, I got a lot of that. Because youve not really spoken about that, have you? I guess well talk about that in a bit more detail. I knew that Eloise would have read it and I knew that my mum would have read it. I think on one level the answer was yes, because it was just so long. 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